From Queen Zone Forums: Queen + Adam Lambert: A Musician's Perspective" 7-9-2014
Filed Under () by glitzylady on Thursday, July 10, 2014
Posted at : Thursday, July 10, 2014
From Queen Zone Forums: AN EXCELLENT, topical, thought-provoking and right on the money (IMHO) blog post...
Read the entire post and see if you agree... Looks like Adam Lambert does :)
Above picture via @DianaKat
Queen + Adam Lambert: A Musician's Perspective by "The Real Wizard" on July 9, 2014
EXCERPTS:
"In my general absence here as of late, I thought I'd offer a little something to the ongoing discussion about the current tour." "The negativity on this forum is not unexpected, but still incredibly disappointing to witness. A decade ago Queen fans were aching for any kind of collaboration between Brian and Roger, never mind full-scale tours where they are playing songs they haven't played in 30 years (or ever)."
"Those who found Paul Rodgers unfit for Queen's throne said he was too masculine, too bluesy, too different from what Queen once were. Now they have a flamboyant frontman who wears six outfits like Cher, has an incredible vocal range, and has his own approach to theatricality that smoothly blends into what Queen were all about. Comparing Adam Lambert (or anyone) to the timeless, unadulterated, irreplaceable genius of Freddie Mercury is pointless - but there is no rationale in arguing that he doesn't fit the profile. He does, perfectly. Equally pointless is turning it into an either/or boolean type equation. This mentality is why people of one religion are able to smite those of another. At the risk of sounding pathetically mundane, can't we all just get along?"
"It's easy to throw stones from your glass house, and so much harder to cast your ego or tastes aside and simply be happy that these guys who formed a band you supposedly love are touring again. Do you think they're playing Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy and Love Kills for the man on the street? No, you numbskulls. They're playing it for YOU - you know, the thousands of people who read forums like this and have been waiting 30 years for Queen to tour the US and play the old songs again. They're saying thanks for waiting for the circumstances to present themselves and for the right moment to arrive. And that moment is now. And you're all too stuck in the past and your own anger to notice. Instead of trying on a different coloured shirt, you're on setlist.fm changing every song of every show to "Queen cover," as if to imply that your definition of Queen is more valid than the people who formed the band. To quote the great Roger Taylor - I pity you. You suck."
"So I echo the sentiments of those who say the naysayers tend to be unhappy people who want to drag happy and successful people down to the basement of life where they currently reside rather than seek their own happiness. I fear that many people will be kicking themselves one day for choosing to miss out on what may be the final tour of the remaining members of Queen. I don't expect to change anyone's mind, but stranger things have happened."
READ THE REST of the article here:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1389352/q-and-al-a-musicians-perspective.aspx#
Read the entire post and see if you agree... Looks like Adam Lambert does :)
Above picture via @DianaKat
Queen + Adam Lambert: A Musician's Perspective by "The Real Wizard" on July 9, 2014
EXCERPTS:
"In my general absence here as of late, I thought I'd offer a little something to the ongoing discussion about the current tour." "The negativity on this forum is not unexpected, but still incredibly disappointing to witness. A decade ago Queen fans were aching for any kind of collaboration between Brian and Roger, never mind full-scale tours where they are playing songs they haven't played in 30 years (or ever)."
"Those who found Paul Rodgers unfit for Queen's throne said he was too masculine, too bluesy, too different from what Queen once were. Now they have a flamboyant frontman who wears six outfits like Cher, has an incredible vocal range, and has his own approach to theatricality that smoothly blends into what Queen were all about. Comparing Adam Lambert (or anyone) to the timeless, unadulterated, irreplaceable genius of Freddie Mercury is pointless - but there is no rationale in arguing that he doesn't fit the profile. He does, perfectly. Equally pointless is turning it into an either/or boolean type equation. This mentality is why people of one religion are able to smite those of another. At the risk of sounding pathetically mundane, can't we all just get along?"
"It's easy to throw stones from your glass house, and so much harder to cast your ego or tastes aside and simply be happy that these guys who formed a band you supposedly love are touring again. Do you think they're playing Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy and Love Kills for the man on the street? No, you numbskulls. They're playing it for YOU - you know, the thousands of people who read forums like this and have been waiting 30 years for Queen to tour the US and play the old songs again. They're saying thanks for waiting for the circumstances to present themselves and for the right moment to arrive. And that moment is now. And you're all too stuck in the past and your own anger to notice. Instead of trying on a different coloured shirt, you're on setlist.fm changing every song of every show to "Queen cover," as if to imply that your definition of Queen is more valid than the people who formed the band. To quote the great Roger Taylor - I pity you. You suck."
"So I echo the sentiments of those who say the naysayers tend to be unhappy people who want to drag happy and successful people down to the basement of life where they currently reside rather than seek their own happiness. I fear that many people will be kicking themselves one day for choosing to miss out on what may be the final tour of the remaining members of Queen. I don't expect to change anyone's mind, but stranger things have happened."
READ THE REST of the article here:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1389352/q-and-al-a-musicians-perspective.aspx#
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69 comments:
Bravo!!! U said it!
Thanks, glitzylady for the excerpt and the link to the whole article. Off to read it all now. :-)
Reading all of the blog post was worthwhile and I love the pic.
Well-written article.
Huge kudos to Brian. Turning 68 on July 19, he's doing an absolutely AWESOME job on this tour and so is Roger who will be 65 on July 26. The saying "They don't make 'em like that anymore" certainly applies to them.
It's not an article it's an opinion on a fan forum.
Who cares what they are saying on QZ and QOL. It's mostly just Queen fans and Glamberts arguing non-stop. From this "Musician's Perspective" I'm guessing they are an Adam fan and all the Queen fans are going to disagree. The newbie comments from Glamberts aren't going to help the discord.
Eh, just a bunch of garbage from the same people on Queenzone and Queenonline. I'll take a review by a real critic over anything from those two ugly fan forums.
Everyone has an opinion, and in MY opinion...this particular fan's thoughts, (the one who wrote the blog post " A Musician's Perspective"), whether a Queen fan, a Freddie fan, or an Adam Lambert fan, (does it REALLY matter anyway???) are well stated.
I'm personally a fan of the iconic and original band Queen, of Freddie Mercury, and since 2009, of Adam Lambert. And I enjoyed reading this fan's **perspective**.
We certainly don't have to all be divided into a particular "camp" to appreciate Queen both as it used to be when the amazing Freddie Mercury was still alive AND the music of Queen as it is being interpreted by Adam Lambert, and the remaining original members of Queen, Dr. Brian May and Roger Taylor.
They seem to be loving this new incarnation, and why should it really be any more complicated than that???
It is there for us to experience and enjoy. Which is realllllly what we should be doing, right??. IMHO of course....
One doesn't have to be a "real [music] critic" to have an opinion. :)))
I love Queen, I love Adam Lambert! The two together..What a bonus!! Two more days!!!
Palace of Detroit!! Cant wait!! Soo excited!!
Rock it!!
I agree that this "musician's perspective" was well-stated and thoughtful. He makes as many valid points as any of the critics have. There will never be a resolution to the rift that exists in the Freddie/Queen/Adam discussion. Purists will never budge. Those who have decided ahead of time that they don't like Adam will never change. There is very little objectivity about all this. Adam's obvious vocal chops mean nothing to those who think he shouldn't be singing with Queen in the first place. Thankfully, most reviews have been great. I do like the way this writer addresses the issue. Now I need to watch the Houston vids!
Thanks for the link, glitzy!
DRG
Everybody gets an opinion but let me drone on about why you are wrong.
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Well vocal chops is in the ear of the beholder. No one thinks adam can't sing but many have stated a preference for a different type of voice. That's a valid opinion. And glamberts attacking people like the Vancouver reviewer just make fools of themselves.
Some people love to wallow in negativity and wallow they will. Others of us are open to good and happy experiences and participate in making them happen and bringing them into the light. Enjoy the Joy, love the goodness coming your way in life.
@4:43 P.M.
Ahhh....You've jumped out from behind your tree.
A different type of voice,eh?
If not Adam,then who? Who (alive) could handle the complicated songs of Queen? Who could bring the kind of life into the songs? Who could work well with Brian and Roger? Who could offer stellar vocals and flamboyance at the same time?
Brian and Roger have stated time and time again that Adam IS the right one and that he's the only current artist who could handle their catalog. Why do you have such a problem with that?
Glamberts attacking those who have a different opinion are really embarrassing and sound deranged. It's not a competition, and no amount of aggressive arguing is going to change someone's opinion that differs from theirs.
** 4:53 A.M.'s post was to 4:43 A.M.**
4:43 AM, the Glamberts who jump all over any reviewer who doesn't give Adam an A++ review just make all of Adam's fans look petty and stupid.
No matter how well written an opinion or review is it will never change the minds of those who don't like Queen without Freddie/Queen with Adam. It is pointless to keep arguing with them. Ignore them and just enjoy the concerts.
Agree 100% especially 2nd to last paragraph. Some people just like to bring others down because they are unhappy with their lot in life. Once we accept that we should just ignore as we have been saying for ever on this particular site.
@4:54A.M
This particular 'person' who comes here,and EVERY other Adam topic, and offers their 'opinion' follows and attacks everything the fans write as well as making disparaging comments about Adam. This person doesn't really say anything that contributes to a healthy discussion but rather is more like a broken record. This person does not like Adam and is intent to merely bug the bejeebers out of the fans who come here to discuss Adam's accomplishments and fantastic journey with Queen. Like a fly in the ointment. It's getting ridiculous.
4:53, not everybody loves Adam like we do. Different strokes for different folks. Why do you have such a problem with that?
Not everybody is going to like Adam. They are allowed their opinion. It is stupid to keep engaging the Freddie/"original Queen only" fans in arguments. They aren't going to change their minds just like we aren't going to change our minds that Adam is a perfect fit with Roger and Brian. Let it go.
I perfectly understand people not appreciating Adam the way most of us do....it is the constant following and diminishing responses to fans that irks me.
5:02 AM, I don't see anything wrong the comment from 4:54 AM. there is nothing disparaging about Adam and I agree with them that glamberts arguing with non-fans is not going to change any minds. It just makes Adam and his fans look bad.
Let the Queen fans have their Queenzone and QOL. No point in us going there to argue with them.
Why does glitzy have to argue with Adam fans here? Let them have their opinions too.
I agree with many of the above, Freddie fans are never going to change their minds. They are staying in their "camp" no matter what glitzy thinks. Pointless and embarrassing to continue the arguing.
@5:20 AM
WHERE is glitzylady arguing with fans?
Glitzylady is obviously a huge fan of Adam, and she works hard for this blog, posting a lot of the videos, articles, photos etc.
There's enough backbiting on this blog without dreaming up more.
Freddie/Queen fans aren't going to change their minds and nor are Adam's fans. ENOUGH fighting!!
First of all, this is such an amazing picture of Adam...one of the best I have seen from the concerts. He looks so happy. There will be many articles, reviews, blog posts, etc. written about Adam and Queen before this tour is over. After a while, I just don't want to read them any more. If Brian and Roger picked Adam for this summer tour to perform all those iconic Queen songs, then that's all that matters to me. From what I have seen, I love Adam and Queen band members together, enjoying themselves, and captivating the audiences at every concert. Adam sings the hell out of those songs, and I have a new appreciation of Queen's music since I wasn't much of a fan back in the day when Freddie was alive. There will always be the die hard Queen fans and those who don't like Adam, no matter what he sings. So be it and let those of us who enjoy this partnering continue to feel happy and satisfied that "the new boy" has done so well on this tour.
@5:10 A.M.
Your comment is valid. That post seemed harmless.
But I've personally been called an idiot and ignorant by that person for stating my opinions. Others have suffered the same fate as well. So...fair to say that I do not resort in stalking and name calling when 'discussing'. That's my point.
P.S. Perhaps some of you are misdirecting your frustration toward @glitzylady.....I'm the SD du jour I suppose....if you call someone who's just trying to understand why someone would bother to follow fans on a fan site and question their love of Adam.
This is of course just my opinion. But, maybe I am missing something, but I personally have enjoyed reading almost all the posts on this particular Blog Site since the tour started. I have only seen one or two Adam bashers on here which I think is the same person, which I have addressed.
Also, have seen no Queen negative posts on here. I get so sick of people always blaming Adam fans for every negative think because of one or two jerks. Adam's fans are some of the most kind and thoughtful fans I have ever experiened encountering or reading about. Also, I never hear them bash Brian or Roger. They have so much respect for them, and the late great Freddie.
Sorry I cannot say the same for some of the mean spirited things I have read about Adam on some of the other blog sites; including the Queen sites.
I don't see a darn thing wrong with Adam's fans coming to this dear man's defense. Why the hell not? Adam deserves that from his fans, as long as it is done in a thoughtful way. Why should Adam Lambert or his fans bow down to anyone? If not his fans, then who? Nobody puts our BB in a corner. I say this as a fan of both Adam & recently, because of Adam, a fan of Queen and Freddie.
So please stop the Adam fan bashing; they are the most glorious and dedicated and yes, respectful fans in the universe!!
5:29 am, see 2:22 where she dismisses the opinions of the two people above her. I'm tired of the passive aggressiveness if a fan has a different opinion.
Really??
All I was saying in my comment was that I've been a fan of Queen for many years and more recently a fan of Adam Lambert and I love both.. Not everyone is firmly entrenched in one "camp" or the other..
I thought people would be interested to read what this person had to say.. And the assumptions of some here, that the essay was written by an Adam Lambert fan, on a Queen blog, in order to stir up trouble and/or to change minds, is not even something that I was thinking when I read it.. It seemed to me that I was reading the words of a Queen fan who also very much appreciates Adam. As I do.
Beyond that.....well, have a good day...
5:53 AM, go read some Glamberts comments on some of the reviews of the Queen + Adam Lambert concerts. You will see some unkind, ridiculous, mean, name calling and thoughtless comments. Same thing on QOL and QZ.
There's nothing wrong with glitzylady's 2.22am post.
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If you think adam is the only artist alive who can handle queen songs you seriously need to get out of your bubble.
On adamtopia fans who were at Vegas were saying queen fans after hearing adam said they far preferred paul Rogers. That adam just tries too hard. That's about what the Vancouver reviewer said because paul has a more distinctive voice.
There are many who preferred when george michael or Robbie Williams sang with queen. Or how about jesse j at the Olympics. You don't think sam smith wukd absolutely kill a queen concert?
Lol artists with active solo careers are nt going to want to sing covers, that's why they went with adam.
@5:59 AM
I've read some of them too. It's hard to believe that people can be so nasty. :-((((
@5:59 AM
I don't know about the thoughts of the poster you are addressing; but, I have read many of the blogs you mentioned in your post, and I find that not to be true. All the responses have been in defense of Adam Lambert, and have been done in a respectful way; with few exceptions.
I have not seen any Adam fans attacking Freddie or Queen personally. Also, everyone representing themselves as an Adam fan, may also be the same old imposters trying to stir up trouble and wanting to make people think they are Adam fans; which I hope you know this has happened before.
Adam and Queen, THE DREAM TEAM!!
Adam M. Lambert is moving on up to the Big Time; he is finally getting a piece of the pie!!!
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Classic example of you mixing up a bunch of different people and thinking it is all one poster who is here all the time.
When Glamberts don't agree with a review, they attack the reviewer with all guns blazing and as much hatred as they can muster. This makes Glamberts look seriously bad.
The vancouver music critic posted this they had to disable the comments section because of glambert response and said:
Steve Newton replies: Dearest Avi—You forgot to mention that I called Adam Lambert’s voice “bland”. Actually, I didn’t really do that. I described his voice as “relatively bland” when compared to the instantly recognizable voices of original Queen singer Freddie Mercury and previous Queen frontman Paul Rodgers. But my comment unleashed a torrent of outrage from the hordes of “Glamberts” (Adam Lambert freaks) who don’t appreciate anyone doubting the utter amazingness of their American idol. At last count my review had garnered 97 comments, and only a couple of them were positive. The vast majority described me as “stupid” and “cowardly”, an “idiot”, “wanker”, and “schmuck” who was “tone deaf” or just plain “deaf”. Luckily, after 30-plus years of getting slagged for my opinions on concerts I can take 95 or so insults without too much shame and suffering.
I give you Exhibit A... @6:04 A.M.
Poking and prodding. Oh sure....totally entitled to an opinion,but fanning the flames at the same time. Indulging us with an 'opinion' while telling us that, because we love Adam with Queen,we must be living in a bubble.
Sam Smith.. he has an amazing,soothing voice....relatively newcomer,not sure of his stage strengths.... can he impart the bombastic delivery most songs require? Already know Adam can.
6:32 AM
you ask a question can anyone else sing queen songs but then get upset when someone replies. that's not how dialog works.
The Vancouver site, Georgia Straight, has 68K twitter followers. Its not some obscure fan blog by the way.
6:30 AM
Thanks for posting.
I'm glad the comments were closed. They were utterly shameful but the Glamberts who posted the comments don't care.
@6:34 A.M
I did not dismiss the suggestion. I merely questioned whether S.S. could bring the same energy required for the in-your-face songs. I did not diss him or put him in a box. at this point in the tour,it is obvious that Adam can handle the schedule,the song catalog....and he is doing a fantastic job,imo. They all are doing a great job.
How cum glambert negativity is a bad thing and everyone else's negativity is rational and the last word on everything?
6:43 AM
Lol its not because you like adam that you are living in a bubble. Its saying that no one else alive can handle queen songs that is ridiculous. Its a big world. There are many talented people in it. Adam is one of many.
@2:22 Glitzylady
Well posted with the "real critic' mention.
Here's one from Jean Sibelius
'Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been erected to a critic'. !!!!!!
So sad that this "LOL entity" gets so many of you riled up for nothing. There is NOTHING in its posts worth commenting. The same with this Steve Newton guy... sounds like a long lost cousin of LOL.... lmao!
@6:48 A.M.
Good grief...READ!
I stated that I already know Adam can handle the tough song catalog and that it's difficult to determine whether someone like S.S. could....in other words....it's not a measurable debate because one artist has provided proof and one hasn't. In closing,I'm not sure too many artists could handle the tough and articulate catalog of songs like Adam. He can do things with his voice that,IMO,very few people can.
I take words of an Iconic Legend and PHD in Astrophysic (according to my son it's not an easy status to get) Dr. Brian May, one of the greatest geniuses in the world who should get a Nobel Prize, and words of an Iconic Legend best drummer in the world, Roger Taylor over bunch of negative losers any time of the day. Adam Lambert one in a billion voice. Period.
As much as I love Adam singing Queen's songs, I'll be soooooooo glad when he's back doing his solo thing which hopefully will mean Glamberts will stop ranting, raving and arguing with each other and other people re his performances with Queen.
From the 5% negative comments I noticed, seems these people don't even have money to attend these concerts. Their opinion is like passing hot air gas from their a******. Stay away from the foul air and smell the roses instead. Go to the concerts and enjoy the music cause this won't happen anymore.
Freddie is an iconic rock legend throughout the WORLD so understandable there's going to be some flack here and there amongst a few die-hard fans and that's OK .... but hells, bells there's SO much love out there for ADAM as he soars those phenomenal performances through each and every venue leaving people breathless to the core...and he's sharing a heart-felt tribute to Freddie and Queen in his own unique incredibly talented way. Adam's a treasure to the WORLD! Those vocals are magic and touch the soul. One can only imagine Freddie looking down proud as blazes at what's happening right now. The joy on Brian and Rogers faces says it all! Lovin'the Lambert with a passion!
Don't let the negatives steal your positive energy.
Great photo :-D
OT
Brian's birthday is July 19 and Roger's birthday is July 26. Hope they both celebrate their birthdays in style! :)))
@7:21 AM
That's a very hateful thing to say. Comments of people without money are as valid as those with enough to purchase concert tickets.
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Ignorant and rude
I personally love Adam's rendition of Queen music more than Freddie. Wouldn't be going to three concerts if all the originals were playing. As I don't go to Aerosmith or Rolling Stone.
totally agree w anon 5:31
:)
totally agree w anon 5:31
:)
6:30 am have a great example of glamberts being mean and rude. You will recognize the names of the glamberts leaving those comments. Just becauseyou disagree with the reviewer's opinion does not give you license to be rude and mean. This "but I'm just defending Adam" is a poor excuse for bad behavior. You can be polite about disagreeing and still allow the reviewer's opinion to be valid.
The Vancouver review wasn't bad. It included "Adam Lambert—to carry on the Queen flame, and judging by his showing at Rogers Arena last night, it wasn't a bad call." "the resounding applause made it clear that Lambert had impressed the vast majority of the crowd."
So the reviewer doesn't see Adam's voice the same way we do. How does that justify rude comments from glamberts on a public site where non-fans will see this embarrassing behavior?
Wrote everything I wish I could write. IMO totally true! . . . Adamluv
Sorry, need to clarify. Was referring to the blog not the Vancouver Review article. . . . Adamluv
1:53 PM
It doesn't justify rudeness and downright nastiness at all. Unless reviewers are praising Adam to the max, then rabid Glamberts will attack like there's no tomorrow. Very disappointing, disheartening and embarrassing.
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