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I assume it's the Pamela Anderson Adam had a sexy brush with at Gridlock...Hey Adam, you gotta watch out and do what you have to do, you know what I mean...some subtle adjustments here and there lol!

Sounds interesting. Adam's adventures never cease to amaze me.

Rockgod will floor you agog
Sings all genres of Rock
Glam, operatic, theatrical, synth, funk, pop
Rock and Roll in one voice, non-stop
If you want to listen to various different Rocks
Listen to Adam...Sing, sing for me...
That's Phantom of the Opera
Well, handsome phantom Adam
Floats like a butterfly...Stings like a bee
That's Mohammed Ali
Nothing really matters to me...Anyway the wind blows...
That's Freddie Mercury
See, like they always say, Adam is a chameleon
Yet he is the talented, vivacious Adam
Therein lies the mystery

Lam-My

With some events I wonder if Adam is genuinely interested or if he's mostly attending for publicity purposes. He sure makes the rounds!

Weird, gross and altogether crazy. This man walks to a different drummer From his work you can tell he is a real artist.
He is a tranny, enough said. Something is wrong in his brain. If he or anyone else sees any form of beauty in his work, then you are odd too. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Adam went to his showing, because he has known him for years. He does Sutans makeup, and has for some years. I wouldn't use his art work for the bottom of my bird cage. Did you get the idea, that I do not like his work. By the way he is quite successful in his line of work.

This is a very prejudicial and offensive statement:
"He is a tranny, enough said."

annemarie
just because someones idea of art is not to your liking, it doesn't make them have something '-wrong in the 'brain......

Not for the faint-hearted.

How weird spot we live in. When someone calls black the black crowds come in yelling how disrespectful is that. Reminds of the fairy tale about the Naked King, doesn't it?
Weird minorities got the right to express themselves while genuine people have to mind what they speak in the open. Where is the freedom folks?
I hope Adam stops being over compassionate with people whom he thinks need that and starts acting per his genuine self.

4:37, OMG, you are as bad as Anne Marie. Weird vs. Genuine. And then standing behind freedom of expression. How ironic.

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All you have to say is it isn't your cup of tea. No need to insult or marginalize something you don't like or don't understand.

From a couple of the comments I expected some blood and gore and nightmare stuff. Then I looked at Mathu's Instagram. It's just gender bending.

Mathu is obviously well regarded in the LGBT community. He was a model in Marco Marco's last show that Adam just attended. Gender bending is nothing new.

I think this is an example of the homophobia that exists among some of Adam's fans. As long as Adam fits close enough to their heteronormative ideals they are fine with it but anybody else more feminine like Johnny Rice or as far out as Mathu is met with disgust. This full range is in Adam's community. Do you really support Adam and his community? Or just the parts that can pass for straight?

I am happy to be among those who don't understand.

What makes me be "as bad as Anne Marie"? Freedom to express what I really think?

I don't hate people I consider weird. They choose what they want to be. But I choose to openly say black to black (in my humble opinion) and don't call others "bad" for speaking their mind out openly.

Get the difference?

@Anon 4:37 am - Please tell me how I know if I'm a "genuine person" and not a "weird minority". Mathu's art, whether we personally like it or not, might be very genuine to HIM. I think appreciating or liking someone's artwork is similar to appreciating or liking a comedian...one person could think he's hilarious, yet he could rub someone else the wrong way.

And who are we to say whether Adam is acting "per his genuine self" by associating with Mathu? Adam associated with the "freaks" of this world before we as fans even knew he existed. Would it be more "genuine" of him to stop associating with people he wants to associate with to make some of his fans happy? We aren't the parents of a young child where we need to try to pick his friends.

I'm a long-time "lurker" and occasional poster who tries to keep my comments positive, but that comment, along with most of the things Anne Marie said, were just too offensive to let slide -sorry. I've been trying to think up a clever tag for some time. For now, I'll just be:

RosiePosie

@Anne Marie - When you said he did Sutan's makeup, did you mean RuPaul's? And whether we like RuPaul or not, in my opinion his makeup is stunning. Mathu must be doing something right to be on working for RuPaul's Drag Race.

@5:18 I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

We may not "like" all the people Adam associates with, but unless we know them ourselves, who are we to just them and say they're "weird" or "gross"? If we knew them ourselves, we might actually like their company! It's the old adage we all heard when we were children: don't judge a book by its cover.

RosiePosie

"Judge them", not "just them". Sorry!

RosiePosie

5:19 AM,
Tranny is considered an insult. Your "openly say black to black" makes me wonder what word you really mean. From GLAAD:
Defamatory: "tranny," "she-male," "he/she," "it," "shim"
These words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it
profoundly offensive.
http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

We don't even know if Mathu is transgender or identifies as something else. Or just does gender bending as an art expression.

So no, I do not see a difference. It is not a "freedom of expression" to label a group as "weird"and compare them to your "genuine" group.

By your warped perception of freedom of expression as allowing others to speak their mind openly I get to say I think you are prejudicial, narrow minded and hypocritical.

Thanks, RosiePosie, I agree with what you said too. From 5:18

Adam will be true to himself and who he wants to be regardless of what we think. He will associate with people of all gender variations if he so chooses. He's been exposed to lots of avant-garde, non-traditional artists over the years, and he seems to enjoy them. I don't think he'll stop associating with them any time soon. They are part of his world.

Adam is a real poster-boy for open-mindedness and non-judgmental acceptance. He has shown these qualities time and time again. He talks the talk, but he also walks the walk.

OT..

@Rosieposie....

Just wanted to say I love your tag, my daughters name is Rosie (short for Rosanna) and we often call her Rosieposie....so I shall find your tag easy to remember:)

Love and peace - that's what life is really about.

@4:37 AM & 5:19 AM

4:37, When you made the statement, "when someone calls black, the black crowds come in yelling how disrespectful is that"?; just what in the world does that even mean? Then you said, weird minorities have the right to express themselves when genuine people don't."

Well, I have news for you, many of Adam's long time dearest friends are some of those "weird minorities that you speak of; also many, many of them are his fans. Just who are the genuine people you are speaking of, are they all others except the Gay and Black people?

Fortunately, Adam Lambert has such beautiful fans of all races and nationalities which includes black, brown and white. What a stupid word "genuine" to use when you are speaking about people.

Evidently there are still prejudice and ignorant people that do exist; fortunately they are not the majority of Adam Lambert's fans. Most of them are wonderful and accepting and loving, just like the man himself; Thank goodness for that!

Anne Marie,
Your comment of "He is a tranny, enough said. Something is wrong in his brain." is an offensive statement. Offensive to the transgender community, the mental health community, and anybody who belives in tolerance and acceptance.

Hmmm now this thread really got my curiosity up on this guy and his artwork. AnneMarie's statement is offensive but it is the way she feels.She shouldn't have to hide her feelings.JMO

If Anne Marie and Anon 4:37 am were a little more open minded and tolerant they wouldn't be saying prejudicial and ignorant things.

It's fine if you don't like the art work but no reason to be calling people names and spew hateful comments about a marginalized group.

I think the whole tranny thing is weird too but I just keep my mouth shut, why it bothers me I'll never know. I suppose pretty soon I'll be programmed to accept it.

The first thing I did was google The artwork of Mathu Andersen.....I know nothing about him personally but his artwork in makeup is fantastic........I don't care anything about his personal life.

Nor do I care that Oscar Wilde, Truman Capote, Cole Porter, Michelangelo, Nijinsky, Lawrence of Arabia , Langston Hughes, Willa Cather or Emily Dickenson were homosexual....and/or black or white.

What a loss to the world of literature, painting, sculpture, music, dance and even diplomacy it would have been without these 'special' people.

This gallery hosts the BEST art installations! LOVE WOW!

@RosiePosie...Love the Tag.........When I was a baby my grandmother used to sing me to sleep singing a song called My Blushing Rosie.

.....Rosie, you are my posy
.....You are my heart's delight.....etc.

The song dates back to about 1900. I date back to 1935!

This seems to be a somewhat "discussion-worthy"/controversial thread. I'm really amazed how many people are happy to express their opinions as long as it can be done anonymously. THAT is more awkward to me than controversial art.

1:11 PM, what part of tranny is an offensive term do you not get?



I really don't get the few people here who like Adam yet are intolerant of a part of his community and use words Adam would surely find offensive.

You don't have to like the art or understand it but that doesn't mean you get to offend and demean the people who do.

Ok is the word Queens except able?

1:58 lady, I have these discussions in RL also.

2:17, unless you are a part of the LGBT community, no, it is not acceptable.

Adam sure uses the word Queens enough on Ig that I thought it was a PC term.He knows many of his fans are straight.

It's art. Mathu is an artist.
There are pics of him at home with his cat, like anybody else.
He's a person, an interesting, intelligent and talented human being.
If his art isn't your thing then move on. (written from my internet soapbox) :)

While I understand that the specific phrasing that Anne Marie used May sound offensive to some..... The fact that she is expressing it and what she is expressing is Just as worthy of tolerance and acceptance as Mathu's expressions as well; which are also considered offensive to some. If we are promoting tolerance and acceptance.... Why are we any less tolerating and accepting of Anne Marie's opinions and expression than of Mathu's? Why scold and oppose her and, yet accept Mathu?

Mathu's expression and work, words, and the ideas he represents..... Are considered to some to be highly offensive to segments of the population and would even be considered deragatory, inflammatory, and insighting to people to some people.
Anne Marie's expressions and ideas are just as worthy of respect, tolerance, and acceptance as Mathu's here.

When some of us read Anne Marie's statements, there was offended responses. And those who shared their offense with her statements did so feeling free and justified to do so. Well, Anne Marie was simply responding to Mathu's expressions in the same freedom, and manner. And, yet.... She has been scolded for it and labeled for it.

IMO, It's time we end the hypocriticalness. If we are truly tolerant and accepting.... We will show Anne Marie that same tolerance as well. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where we walk the walk and talk the talk, too. With each other. Not just where it is trendy.... With a gay artist.

Peace, love and light to all. :)))

After almost six years of AL fandom and there still is this much narrowminded ignorance and prejudice on AL fan site... Gobsmacked!

There are so many "wrongs" in Anne Marie's post, gringed of shame when I read it. And who is she to call anyone finding beauty in Mathu's art 'odd'? People have been called out for a lot less on this site - why should Anne Marie's rude wordings be allowed?

@5:18
The last chapter in your post says it all! Thank you! There still are a lot of fans who have difficulties accepting Adam 'as he is'... After all this time THAT is what I find odd!

I enjoyed this whole thread, conversation and communication is good. Nice post yada at 4:50 I read it several times. Looking forward to this man's show this month.

Yada, Mathu did not force Anne Marie to look at his art or ask her to comment on it.

The existence of Mathu's art and Anne Marie's prejudicial reaction to it are not equal expressions. If she or anyone does not like it , move on, no one is forcing you to look at it. Disliking it or Mathu does not give you the right to say hateful things using offensive terms.

What Anne Marie was expressing was not worthy of tolerance because it is technically hate speech.

It is not hypocritical to oppose hate speech. Ignorant people do not get to express prejudice because the rest of us should be "tolerant." Tolerance is not about letting anybody say anything they want.

Hope you can see with difference now.

*see the difference now

Hi Anon 9:16pm... Thank you for your post. And, I respect and appreciate your thoughts. Yes, I do see the difference. And, I also see the striking similarities.

It is certainly true that Mathu is not forcing anyone to look at his expressions, nor forcing anyone to like it, nor requesting anyone to comment on it. And, neither is Anne Marie forcing anyone to look at her comment, like it, or requesting anyone to comment on it.
The introduction to Mathu's expressionistic perspectives came by way of this site... and so does Anne Marie's.


There are many segments of people that would consider Mathu's expressions to be "affrontive", offensive and yes, even hateful... "hate" toward what they consider to be traditional masculinity (Mathu has stated he wants to "shock" people with his expressions...to bend genders.."redefine" masculinity... and considers those who oppose his ideas as "haters" and "homophobes")... misogynistic...hate towards women (there are some who feel that Mathu's depiction of femininity is a mockery toward women, not a celebration of femininity)... and hate speech toward their ideals and beliefs. Mathu's expressions and statements over the years have been perceived by some people as hate speech toward both gays and very targeted ones toward straight people.
In response To Mathu's expressions... we label his messages & expressions as Art and desire to protect his right to express himself and his ideals. Meanwhile... Anne Marie's expressions, perspective and viewpoints are labeled as "hate speech".

While I personally do not view Mathu's expressions and art in this manner, My views on his art is rather irrelevant here at this moment (though I do personally find some of his art & expressions quite creative and unique).


Kindly meant, the label of hate speech is becoming more and more cavalier and overused in many cases, IMHO. Mathu's art is more than imagery. They are expressions and messages of his viewpoints and opinions, and ideals. He has said as such, and with which has stated his desire to "shock" and "offend" others into seeing his views.
The label of Anne Marie's expressions of her viewpoints and opinions as "hate"... and the deeming of them as "not equal" to Mathu's... is also worthy of being labeled as hate speech as well... regardless of Anne Marie's comment's shock value.

So then, Who determines what is "equal expression"? Who is deems what is hate speech?
I did not read anything in Anne Marie's comments about hating Mathu, and/or inciting others to hate him, commit violence and/or attacks against him, abuse him, nor discrimination and/or hateful comments at him.
Anne Marie expressed her ideas and perspectives just as Mathu...and, just as you and I.
I read her comments about his images: "odd, gross, weird", and "tranny" (while being a word that is considered insulting... it is not considered - even by many gay persons - as "hate").
Were her comments insulting to Mathu's work and expression of ideas? Perhaps, yes. Hate speech? No.

.... No more than the responses and comments she has received to her expressions and viewpoints here in this thread.

I'm not going to write a book or get into a discussion but just want to say I also found Ann Marie's and 4:37's comments offensive.

Calling the artist a tranny who is not right in the brain is just wrong. Saying weird minorities get to say whatever they want and genuine people have to say it in private is just crazy.

I also agree with those saying you don't get to say the offensive and prejudicial comments just because the art exists and you think you get freedom of speech too. Too me that is a purposeful misuse of freedom of speech.

Just like freedom of speech doesn't allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater it also doesn't allow you to belittle someone and their art or hint that you keep your prejudices quiet.

I did see this quote on Mathu's Instagram. Please note the part about being kind and move along if it is not to your taste:
““…I like being that special thing that people can stumble upon and perhaps even get excited enough to share with others and I like to be left to my own devices and whimsy.
So what am I blathering about?… Just this… Hello, welcome and enjoy. Please be as kind and as respectful as you can muster and if it is not to your taste move along. I do this for me… But when it is of use and inspiration to others … Then that is really good too… Be kind to each other and go and create something fantastic. I will be surprised if any one reads more than the first line… Myself included

Adam lives what he professes - kindness and tolerance. Those calling Mathu and his work names are not exhibiting that. Being kind and tolerant does not mean your ignore prejudice. Those of us calling them out have done so in what I think has been reasonable and calm.

Oops looks like I did write a book.

Definition of hate speech from the American Bar Association.
Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

I'd say Anne Marie offended and insulted.

Hi Anon 12:17am :). Thank you for sharing Mathu's IG quote. I read it when I visited his IG, and it is nicely done and well-put. We can all be encouraged by it, I think, in our own ways. No matter where we're coming from. I have to admit, from what I can tell... it appears that both Mathu and Anne Marie have moved along pretty well at this point. lol

And to myself I will say: "move along" from this topic in the same manner.... and take Adam's additional philosophy to heart: "It's music. Entertainment. Fun!".
Even better.... it's Adam.
And to me... that's quite a compelling reason. ;)

Adam is left of the center, his dreidl spins the other way. Always has, always will.

Have been a fan of the man for almost 6 years. Have been ridiculed on a fan site of his for saying that as a fan I love him unconditionally. To me that means accepting and loving him as a person and a performer just as he is, just as he chooses to show and "reveal" himself. And I find his 'messages' of diversity, equality, love and acceptance much more appealing than than the concerns of some from the straight majority that their rights are being stomped by the demands of the LGBT community etc. This is the vibe I get from this thread, too.

There are so many Adam fans who accept him only as long as he "keeps filling a certain amount of their delusional picture of this straight hunk of a man they believe or would like Adam to be". And this includes his friends and people he associates with - as long as they are not "looking/behaving gay", "weird, odd, something wrong in their brain" (by their rigid standards)... The minute THEIR limits are crossed, these fans take a hike. And come back when they feel he's behavin "less gay"/"more straight".... Oh, brother! So wishing there were people from the LGBT community commenting here!

Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see....

Something wrong in their brain
Kind of resonates in my veins lol!
As for Adam being gay...never was a problem
Ahh but double-standard is what drives me up the wall
Like, okay for some but not okay for all
Sort of, depending on who kicks the ball
Can never tolerate that...one reason I end up in spats
Adam is not like that...
Love, concern, respect would cure this thread lwl!

Lam-My

Hey Congratulations All ! Negative, positive, many standards, whatever...We've not gotten 50 comments for quite a while...Mmm let's do like Adam, spew champagne all over the floor. lol!

Anne Marie's comments are ugly and disgusting.
but the most ridiculous thing is yada's long repetitive post saying how open minded it is to tolerate and accept hates and bullys LOL.

Wow, so good to see a spirited thread again, its been a while.
I also thought Anne-maries original comment to be unpleasant. You can dislike something with out using insulting words.

1:25 am, so true. If they don't fit a very narrow band of "acceptable gay behavior" you see the true homophobia that exists in this fandom come out. It's very sad.

3:50 am, also agree with you.

@yada
I'm sorry, I shall have to disagree with you on this......what Annemarie said should not be worthy of tolerance and acceptance...
No one is disputing her right to dislike the art, and her right to say she dislikes it. But to use the words she did, and imply that he had some sort of mental illness is just wrong on so many levels.
A simple, 'I do not like his work, I do not understand it and it is not my cup of tea'would have sufficed.

Anon 3:50am....
There is obviously a lot that has been misunderstood. I don't believe for a second that bullies and haters should be tolerated. Fortunately, Anne Marie was attempting to do neither.

HK fan has stated it very well. Her phrasing and how she worded is the issue here, and could have been chosen differently.
Until you know someone .... It would be wise not to accuse that person and speak of their motive and intention. There are no reasons to over generalize, exaggerate, put anyone down here or anyone's posts.

I appreciate your strong position against bullying and hating and those who would seek to demean others. And I wholeheartedly agree.
I think it would also be in keeping to be careful with how we handle each other and our comments here.

This site is about Adam Lambert. It's positive and forward moving just like he is. I'm looking forward to staying focused on that and on him. :) I hope your day is a good one. :))

**I've been "sitting" on this comment (below) since I first saw the concepts and statements we have been discussing here, and wondering what to do: to give my opinion as well, or stay silent. So many good points, and, as some have said, good discussion..and I feel, important..discussion.. So I suppose I'll post my thoughts as well...**This comment was composed early on and many of the points have been covered but here it is anyway:***

One of the things that I find SO fascinating compelling, and frankly lovely, AND lovable, about Adam Lambert , in addition to the obvious fact that he's mega-talented vocally, is certainly that he is an unfailingly kind and genuine and loyal friend who continually supports his community, his friends, and fellow artists in a variety of fields, in a number of ways. He sometimes lends his increasingly recognizable "name" to their projects: music, art, theater, etc..

He is also proud of who he is and supports others in that as well, to be who they are and to express their art in their own unique ways.

I also very much appreciate that Adam himself is artistic with a wide range of extremely interesting and talented friends and associates, many of whom live in and/or work in West Hollywood, or LA, or New York City, or London, etc. where being "different, avant garde, unconventional, daring...creative..forward thinking..and yes, maybe a little, or a lot "weird"", is celebrated and admired by many.

While I may or may not personally hang a print of one of Mr. Andersen's creative, and unusual and certainly artistic "Instagram" art in my living room, I certainly admire his ability to create the images that he does. I also understand that he is a celebrated and well known within the genre make-up artist and has a large following around the world.

The world is a better, and certainly a more interesting and vibrant and diverse, place as a result of the many artists among us who take us in new directions, and perhaps help us to think "outside the box" occasionally. Not all art is personally pleasing to the eye, or touches us as individuals in the same ways.. It can be disturbing, and sometimes deemed "weird" or "beautiful" depending on the point of view.. Another set of eyes will see "weird" as amazing and wonderful.

It's each individual's right to like or dislike someone's artistic creations, here on this little blog, and elsewhere. in this case, those of Mathu Andersen, and to state that opinion here or elsewhere. Beauty, and "art" are indeed in the eye of the beholder. But to go on to say that someone who DOES understand or like the art of Mathu Andersen, or someone who creates the art, has something "wrong with their brain", seems (IMO) rather judgmental and dismissive of that person or artist's point of view, and artistic creativity, at the very least. And makes a personal judgement about the person who creates or likes that particular type of art, without any other knowledge about that person...

And then, to use the generally thought to be pejorative term "tranny", and then summarily say "enough said", which again is, at least in my mind, dismissive, judgmental, and borders on prejudicial, and lumps all transgender people, or people who do drag (which in reality are usually two different things entirely) into one box, as people who "have something wrong with their brains", is troubling to me.

**continued below***

***continued from above at 2:52 PM

@Anne Marie, you are a woman who always speaks her mind, and that's not generally a bad thing at all. I always appreciate your honesty, your candor, your sometimes differing point of view.. Your practicality. But, I am just wondering if we misread your intent somehow.. I think your comments in another context, on another site, for instance, may perhaps have not have prompted the responses you see here. And on other sites, the comments and responses would be much more graphic, I suspect..

But here, on an Adam Lambert fan site, there can be the added layers of discussion, of knowledge, of understanding, of positivity... Adam is an out and proud advocate for the GLBTQ community, a believer in celebrating diversity, and personal creativity. Many of us here are straight "allies". It's not easy to see someone being dismissed or described as having mental issues simply because of their perceived orientation or line of work and their own vision of their art...

Some deep things going on here, which have been discussed responsibly and I feel, with respect and calmness. And with the very possibility of gaining more insight and understanding. And perhaps more respect for others who are different from ourselves, whomever we may be.

We all have moments when we say something that we might want to undo.. Or not..

Thanks to all who contributed to the dialog...

AdminFan.....Your unexpected thread got 58 comments, perhaps the highest for the season, not bad. I started it off on a tongue-in-cheek note but it rocked and rolled to something else and so became a happy spectator. As I've always said, Art in its myriad forms, is fascinating and originality is key.

Why was my harmless comment deleted? What was wrong with my comment?

Anne Marie can call an artist a tranny out of his mind and that stays but LOL is deleted? What is going on?

That is the most ridiculous moderating and you can't even give an explanation.