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So glad to see this! Hope the tickets sell well. Vegas is full of tourists from all over the world looking for a great show. And QAL will be a GREAT show!

Whee!!!!! Hope all the shows sell out....I've got my ticket. Wish I could afford all the way down front!

Is it just me, or does anyone else here think it's about time to write Adam's name in LARGER LETTERS on their signs, flyers and posters?! Without him, Queen would be in mothballs!

Also, who else thinks it's about time for Adam to drop the generous, but self-effacing, "I'm not Freddie.." speech during the QAL concerts. Everyone's heard it by now anyway, and it's really time to move on past that, IMO. Adam has earned that.

Adam giving credit to Freddie at the same time as he invites the crowd to celebrate the "icons" Brian and Roger would be quite adequate, IMO.

Glamberts...your thoughts?

Nanbert I have thought the same and agree with everything you have said

I think Adam needs to keep the "I'm not Freddie" speech. It gives him an element of humility that some Queen fans still need. I personally think it's a nice moment in the show and it shows how grateful Adam is for the chance to perform with Queen. JMO.

Dee R Gee, there's no doubt that it has been invaluable to placate many of the die-hard Freddie fans...many of whom have at least grudgingly accepted him...many of whom have welcomed him with open arms because he's brought their beloved Queen band back to life...and, let's face it, many who will never accept him.

But I feel by this time, most of the nay-sayers have sorted the Freddie vs. Adam out in their minds....and leaving out most of that "speech" will have little effect.

However, at the same time, that sentiment shouldn't be completely abandoned. That's why I say Adam could credit/compliment Freddie quite adequately more briefly, and add the credit for Brian and Roger all at the same time......to not make such a "production" of the "Freddie speech".

Also, the "element of humility" you describe almost borders on demeaning for Adam, IMO...after all the ovewhelming success they've experienced over these years. I usually try to keep up with reviews of QAL...especially in "Mercury country"....and have been surprised by a couple of very complimentary British reviewers suggesting that the "Freddie speech" should be abandoned... that Adam has proven himself.

Adam gives that speech with sincerity and a good heart, but he's proven himself MORE than "worthy" now, and shouldn't need to be so humble anymore.

Oh well, just my opinion, and I explain myself badly. However, you have a very good point...that the original purpose for the speech is still valid. You're probably right.

I think the QAL audiences are generally full of a mixture of die-hard Queenies, die-hard Glamberts and a good mix of fans who are both. Regardless, I'll bet that the majority of them only see one concert or maybe just a few. We Glamberts, on the other hand, tend to watch ALL the videos from ALL the QAL shows, because we're extremely loyal and supportive of Adam. SO, the "Freddie speech" seems really repetitive when you see it 40-50+ times. The average concert-goer doesn't see it so often and likely doesn't see it as tiresome or unnecessary. I think Adam handles it just about right. He lets the audience know that he feels honored, grateful and lucky to be there. And since many audiences members haven't heard "the speech," I think he has to say it every time.


That being said, I like your reasoning in your comment. Seems like Adam's earned the right to NOT give the speech, but at the same time, he probably SHOULD.

Nanbert, I think you explained yourself very well and I agree with Dee R Gee, that Adam's "Freddie speech" should continue. In all likelihood, he may gain more fans that way and earn respect from those who are uncertain about him.

Dee R Gee and Rosemary White...Yes....I guess you're both right. Kind of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" sort of situation.

Admittedly, seeing it "40-50+ times" probably has a great to do with my thoughts about it.

Thanks for your thoughtful insights. I shouldn't complain anyway....Adam's the one who has to say that every time....even though I feel he's earned the right not to be humble anymore. Also, I'm sure that if he decided he didn't want to do it, he wouldn't. And I also feel that Brian and Roger would respect his decision.

Nanbert .. It's quite possible that ADAM is the one that wants to give the "Freddie speech" at all the shows & that could also go for having the smaller letters in his name on the billboards. Knowing how humble ADAM is & how very respectful he is of both QUEEN & Freddie ... he may just be the one who said leave it that way ... just a thought but I'm sure if he wanted larger billing both Roger & Brian would agree!! I think if it were reworded to read QUEEN featuring ADAM LAMBERT rather than + it would be better but ... JMO!!

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My guess is that the Freddie speech is a mutual decision among Adam, Brian and Roger. If they decided to eliminate it or change it, I think the three of them would decide together. In fact, it has changed quite a bit since the beginning. It's shorter and to point. Adam used to ramble on a lot about Freddie and what he might have been like. I'm glad that part is gone. As for the billing, I think Adam's smaller letters are just fine. He's still up there in all his glory. I don't think changing the letter size would be up to Adam. Brian and Roger are in charge of that stuff, I assume. I don't think Adam would ever want to appear arrogant anyway. Heck, having your name up on a private jet should be enough for just about anybody.

Lambert Outlaw and Dee R Gee...I agree that Adam, Brian and Roger must have all collaborated on the "Freddie speech"...a canny way to disarm the Freddie-only fans (at least those with open minds...and ears!) Self defense for Adam...good PR for Queen!

But there's a fine line between "paying homage" and "conferring sainthood". And these tours are "Queen and Adam Lambert", NOT "Freddie Mercury Tribute" tours. After 6 years of enormous success, it has to be clear to all that Adam is not a "second string", "imitator" or "stand-in"..but a full fledged, and MORE than able, FRONTMAN for the mighty Queen machine....an EQUAL partner now in that timeless music!

Yes, Freddie was fantastic...but so is Adam! Give full credit to Freddie, he DID write and/or collaberate in much of Queen's music. But he's been dead for 37 years..RIP! Adam is alive, unbelieveably talented and perfectly suited to Queen music, and has been instrumental in Queen becoming even more successful.

Just thinking... the Queen movie "Bohemian Rhapsody" has been in the making (in fits and starts) for several years. It has been good PR for Queen to keep Freddie very much in the forefront of the audience's mind. But, if that movie's successful, one can't help but consider a sequel... the Adam Lambert era...chronicling Queen's Phoenix-like "rise from the ashes". Then maybe it'll be time to elevate Adam to the level of "Rock God",too!!

BTW...Dee R Gee...nobody sees Adam's name on that private jet except airport workers!..LOL.

Am I prejudiced towards Adam? You bet! He didn't write any of Queen's music, but in my opinion he's a better vocalist and performer than Freddie ever was...and certainly better looking! Nicer, too!

BTW...this doesn't mean I don't see the validity of keeping the "Freddie speech"...just would like to modify it to a bit less "deification". But I definitely would like to see the video of Freddie's "call and response" at the beginning of the encore completely eliminated.

Sorry about my soapbox...Adam seems to bring that out in me!...LOL

P.S. Correction...Freddie's been dead for 27 years, not 37. Not that it makes him any less dead...but it makes me more accurate!

Nanbert, you go on and on about Freddie in an uncomplimentary manner on this blog. Adam is hugely appreciative that he is able to sing with Queen and vice versa. Freddie will never be forgotten by Brian and Roger and the other members of the Queen band, nor by his devoted fans. Accept what you cannot change.

Rosemary White.....
No, I didn't. I think you choose to interpret it that way. Perhaps my last brief remark could have been misunderstood. I was joking then, rather awkwardly it appears, about being accurate with my numbers, and that's all....

I suggest you re-read everything else I wrote above. I agree that Freddie should be memorialized and homage paid to him...but just think it's time to tone it down a bit, on an even keel with the homage paid to Brian and Roger. I believe it has always been "Queen", not "Freddie Mercury and the Band". I think all members of the band should share EQUAL credit for their timeless music.

Yes, Adam is appreciative of Queen, as they are of him....they ALL share equally in the CURRENT resounding success of QAL. Massive talents...ALL!

If you find fault with me for personally preferring Adam's voice and performance to Freddie's..... THAT's a subjective opinion, and NOT uncomplimentary to Freddie...as you accuse me of being. It takes nothing away from Freddie. I guess I'm entitled to my own preference...as you are yours.

Nor do I suggest that Freddie be "forgotten" or abandoned, as if that's even possible!......just that Adam gets HIS TURN now to be the "Rock God"... while he is STILL alive!

Nanbert, I read your 3rd last post several times before I posted my previous comment, and understood exactly what you said, and it's not the first time you've complained about Adam's "Freddie speech". Also, I was not referring to the post where you corrected the number of years that Freddie has been dead. I'm not going to argue about what Adam says or should say in his "Freddie speech" .... in fact, whether or not he should say anything at all about Freddie, Brian and Roger because it's entirely up to him what he says, not his Glamberts. Adam has said on several occasions on social media in response to some Glamberts' demands, "Entitlement aint sexy".

Rosemary... whatever! I've explained what I feel and why I feel that way. I cannot help it if you prefer to see it as antagonistic to Freddie, instead of supportive to Adam.

Also, this IS Adam Lambert 24/7....or am I in the wrong place? I admire Adam for being generous with his effusive praise of Freddie, but at the same time find it a bit demeaning. Not to remove it entirely...just to include the entire band in the speech...Just MY OPINION!

If you still prefer to see me as antagonistic to Freddie....you don't have a clue...but that somehow seems to be YOUR OPINION.

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I just think Adam wants to say something at each performance with Queen, and that’s why he does it, yes I’ve heard it many ye because H’vs been to numerous QAL concerts all over the world, but some people only experience 1 QAL concert , therefore I think it’s important that he included his personal honour Freddie at each concert 👍 not sure I agree about a ‘better vocalist than Freddie, different yes, better performer erm totally different yes , and nicer ?? Not sure what that means to be honest , as I didn’t personally know Freddie and don’t personally know Adam !! , I’ve seen both Freddie and Adam perform live, but can’t compare against each other and feel it would be totally unforgiving and disrespectful to both !!! I agree Adam has taken Queen to another level of popularity again because of his performances, however he wouldn’t be where he is today or dare I say as rich without Freddie’s musical genius and Brian and Rogers incredible talent as a band 👍

By the way, for any Brit’s on here, you’ll agree when Paul Rogers fronted Queen for a good few years before Adam, they had a huge comeback and worldwide tours., he was certainly not anywhere as flamboyant as the beautiful Adam, but he was an incredible vocalist, as he was fronting Free and Bad Company ( really showing my age now LOL) think I’m saying that Queen are an incredible rock iconic band, and to be fair most of this is attributed to Freddie’s incredible talent as a songwriter. I know this is an Adam site. even thoughI totally adore him , and can’t wait for the Vegas concertake to begin but I don’t think it’s all down to Adam’s incredible talent or good looks that Queen are where they are at the moment xx

Nanbert .... yes, this is ADAM'S 24 hour site and YOU are the one who introduced Freddie into this thread, and it's certainly not the first time you've done this on ADAM's 24 hour site, complaining about how much attention is still given to Freddie, how much more successful Queen is with Adam and continuing to compare Adam and Freddie's vocal prowess and performances. I come here to read all things ADAM, not to read negative/complaining comments about other artists. Adam has said he doesn't like negative comments being made about other artists and I think we should respect his wishes.

To whom it may concern....regarding the "Freddie Speech"... please note that I did NOT say anything "negative" about Freddie. I fact, I said, "Yes, Freddie was fantastic...but so is Adam! Give full credit to Freddie...".

However, I believe I AM allowed to prefer Adam over Freddie...over Michael...over Elvis...over Prince...over Bowie...over Elton...over Plant...etc.

As I mentioned above, part of my thoughts about this subject has been tempered by a couple of recent British reviewers of the QAL concerts. The following is a wonderfully descriptive and complimentary review of the O2 concert of 7/2/2018...how well this man writes!

By all means read the ENTIRE review...it is absolutely splendid! But I will quote one pertinant sentence in it here....

"Living with the legacy of Queen and the ever present reminders of Freddie isn't easy, but Lambert is a superb singer and I think it is a pity he seems almost forced to be (voluntarily) self-effacing at points in the set about his place and role in the band."

Here it is: http://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2018/07/06/queen-adam-lambert/

Adam has stepped into Freddie's shoes, and of course he's going to pay homage to Freddie, but it certainly doesn't take anything away from Brian and Roger ( in my humble opinion) they've always been 'in the background of this iconic band but it was Freddie who made the band stand out more with his outgoing personality. I unfortunately think after Vegas, Brian and Roger will 'retire' or wind down, I just hope Adam is credited with his incredible talent as a solo artist as well , and goes from strength to strength in his career, I'm nit sure sadly this will happen x

I had read that review, Nanbert. You've made your point over and over, not only here but on other threads. Time to move on.

Rosemary...yes, time to move on.... it's been clear that you are primarily a Freddie fan , because you have attacked me on "other threads" before here when I have said I prefer Adam over Freddie. You DO know that's allowed don't you?

The fact that you are a Freddie fan first is YOUR right....just accord me the same courtesy in MY choice.

All I’ll add is both Adam and Freddie are incredible talents, Freddie I’m sure would giving a huge ‘thumbs up’ to Adam’s amazing interpretation of his music, was totally in love with Freddie back in the day, and even though I’m an old wrinkly and don’t akways agree with Adam’s posts totally in love with h as an artist , let’s not argue about what is or what isn’t possibly acceptable, and just respect each others’ comments 👍

Nanbert, stop jumping to conclusions. I am not a Freddie fan first ... you don't know anything about my musical preferences. However, I'm not in favor of unfavorable comments being made about Freddie (nor any other artist) on ADAM'S 24 hour site, which you often do and which are disrespectful to Brian, Roger and Adam. And by the way, I have never "attacked" you on other threads but I'm entitled to my opinion, just as everyone in the world is entitled to their opinion, whether opinions agree or not.

I made NO "unfavorable comments" about Freddie.

YES, I like Adam's voice and performance style MUCH better than Freddie's...just MY preference...NOT an "unfavorable comment" about Freddie, as you choose to make it.

Why would you feel the need to criticise me for it...again? Unbelievable!

Let's just drop this ridiculous subject now.... we're boring everyone else on this website. Peace!

Rosemary White, I totally agree with you about comments made by a certain member here, to me. saying Adam is a better singer, better performer, better looking (for God’s sake) and “nicer “ can’t understand how they would know that !!! is a personal put down on Freddie, and not very nice , however this person gets extremely aggressive when questioned about her comments,
she says Freddie shouldn’t be ‘hero worshipped’ on here , but that’s a bit hypocritical as she does the same to Adam !

Nanbert, it is you who introduced Freddie in to this thread, not me. I'm not here to make unfavorable remarks about Adam, Freddie, nor any other artist but I reserve the right to comment about anything unfavorable/negative that's said.

Thanks for your comments, Shelagh.

You’re very welcome at least we’re ‘singing from the same page !’

"Saint" Shelagh...couldn't resist jumping in, could you? Your sanctimonious support against me somehow doesn't ring true after you recently described Adam as looking like a "stoned 70's porn star" and criticising "those totally OTT fetish ways of his", "flaunting himself in a S & M manner...with a smirk", implying that he enjoyed "MORE than the company" of "kids"and is the "Pied Piper of young guys". That's just a very brief synopsis....the quotes are YOUR words exactly.

Rosemary White, where were YOU when Shelagh was saying THOSE things here on 24/7 about Adam?

And when I found fault with Shelagh's nasty condemnations of Adam, she called me a "bitch", an "evil half wit", "mentally impaired", "an elderly lady chasing the phantasy of loving a celebrity..sad"...an "evil bitch", a "hypocrite", etc. etc. and told me......"don't criticize anyone for having different opinions"!

Ironic. isn't it?

Rosemary White...just so you know WHO is supporting you....and WHY!

She's stalking me because I took her to task for trashing Adam. I would like to think you would have done the same if you had read her remarks about him then.

That's it...I'm finished. And I STILL PREFER ADAM TO FREDDIE!

Nambert OMG LOL !!! this is exactly what I expected you to do ! total hypocrite to the ‘n’th degree’ you can’t take any form of criticism of your comments, that’s why you get truly disgusting and personal, so that’s why I fight back with obviously the only ‘low’ shots you so obviously understand, I’ve not been any more personal to you than you have been to me ‘comprende ‘ do get off your high horse and stop giving people on here a bad time by being condescending and quite frankly horrible when they dare to oppose anything you say !! I do think you’re in cloud cuckoo land, thinking that Adam reads any of this stuff on here, you do think you’re a cut above the rest of us here. it’s quite obvious the way you comment as if you know everything about Adam LOL! as you’ve obviously not got anything in your life except trawling through people's comments on here, I suggest you trawl through the many of your own comments to see just how many times you’ve been so hypocritical, I’m sure you’ll then feel totally ashamed by your outbursts LOL !!!! kind regards xx

By the way Nanbert , in my reply to Rosemary, I DIDN’T ACTUALLY mention your name did I ? But YOU obviously realised it was you , because you agree with my description without having to name you !! she now knows who I was referring too and that’s all because YOU have told her, I was trying to be discreet, unlike you with your scathing insults to me , however as you’ve dropped yourself right in it, I find it absolutely hilarious, and you hysterically sad LOL

26th August 2018 1.44am my reply to Rosemary, No mention of your name LOL !!!!!!!

Rosemary, so sorry you got caught up in the nastiness of Nanbert, I certainly didn't mean for you to be. I adore Adam as an artist, but some of the personal stuff he puts on IG, which is then put on here, which I sometimes feel gives a bad impression to some fans , I say so, the way this lady has picked out bits and bobs of some of my comments, totally out of context , implies I am trashing Adam totally, which is so untrue, if they were read within the context of my comments, not picked out and strung together, they are acceptable in my mind, when I have apologised to this lady for perhaps being a bit unfair to her, she immediately throws it back in my face, so I think she thrives or gets a high out of bullying people on here or trying to mak people come round to her at of thinking 'St Adam ' regards

Nanbert, you are at liberty to prefer whomever you wish. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether they agree with your opinion or not, and no opinion is more right than anyone else's opinion.

Thanks for your latest posts, Shelagh.

Thank you xx

tsk, tsk, Shelagh....You're babbling again. I see that you do not deny that you said those things about Adam...but "they were out of context". Actually, THAT WAS THE CONTEXT! In fact, there's NO "context" in which THOSE nasty remarks of yours about Adam would have been appropriate.

Rosemary White...your last remark is EXACTLY what I've been saying this WHOLE time!

Nanbert "tsk tsk" erm not babbling LOL !! and no I don't deny anything I've said( erm what about you !!) , I just said you 'stringed all my comments together, which were out of context '! , unlike you of course !!! Rosemary's remarks are exactly what I HAVE BEEN SAYING !! don't know what planet you 're on, you've obviously that vindictive attitude towards me, you don't realise what I've been saying all along, "stupidity " springs to mind, but obviously you ' re a bit muddled being an elderly person , so I'll allow you a bit of 'grace' LOL, please stop bullying anyone on here( I couldn't care less any more about what you say to me , because I realise you're pig ignorant) who doesn't have the same opinion as you, as you're beginning to be boring now and a possible laughing stock !! I'm sure Adam would be really 'glad' you're such a fan of his, as he's said he "hates peoples who have negative thoughts about anything" , especially Freddie !! , well lady you fit the bill so well, he'd postivel dislike you LOL, Please
get a life, stop bullying everyone on here who has a different opinion than yours, and chill out, for goodness sake, you're so OTT with everything you put on here, it's very offensive and pathetic, PLEASE, Don't reply, as I've given up the will with you ! hope I don't bump into you on Vegas !! Anyway kind regards LOL xx

tsk, tsk...... I rest my case!

Nanbert I know you were a legal secretary for 2 years as you said bwhen you 'dissed me' when I said I was a retired lawyer ( for over 20'Yrs ) I wish you would rest your case LOL, you're well out of order and you know it ! just accept you're not the only one on here who has an opinion !! accept it for goodness sake, I'm sure Adam would ' hate ' to have a fan like you, just stop all the bitchy remarks to anyone who crosses you, I'v given up the will with you, Ibfeel sorry this is the only entertainment you seem to have in your life , just chill out an respect anyone who ls s comments !! Kind regards xxx

My, my...Shelagh... Feel better now? Why do you always end your tirades against me with "kind regards"?...it's so incongruous.

Nanbert just get a life KIND REGARDS xx

Thanks for your most recent posts, Shelagh.

Rosemary...I hope I haven't misjudged you? I do not believe you would support the following posts here about ADAM... especially considering how sensitive you are about Freddie's memory...which I admired but disagreed with.

Shelagh said...

...."yes, kids hang around celebrities, however he seems to enjoy MORE than their 'company', yes he is the voice of LGBT, but in my opinion, why does he have to go totally OTT showing those 'fetish' ways of his? To me it sounds like if you're gay this is the way!! Not all gay kids are into this?"...........August 7, 2018 at 5:25 PM

.."not all LGBT's think they should go around flaunting themselves like this in a S & M manner, some on other sites have felt he was mocking their serious S & M identity, by putting these pictures up with the smirk."....August 8, 2018 at 6:04 AM

Note that these derogatory remarks of Shelagh, and MANY more can be found on Adam Lambert 24/7 blog site entitled "Adam Lambert on IG: @samsmithworld @iamparsonjames...running between the dates August 3-11....and related to photos of Adam nightclubbing with Sam Smith and friends.

I suggest you scroll back and look them up yourself before passing further judgement on me.

On the previous thread, Shelagh had said that..."Adam looks like some stoned 70's porn star"...."he's certainly not my favorite celeb"...along with other snarky remarks....still seemingly relating to posts about nightclubbing with Sam Smith and friends.

To this day, I haven't a clue what she meant about all that "S & M" stuff she was accusing Adam of....from photos posted here? I got the feeling it was the way he was dressed (?)... or, even more likely, something derogatory she had read on some other website.

I took her to task for "bad manners" for maligning and insulting Adam....and defamation of his character and morals...on HIS OWN FAN-SITE!

She's hated and taken jabs at me ever since....and THAT's WHY she inserted herself into our dialogue here... and WHY she has been ranting and blustering at me since I "outed" her here.

Nanbert oh dear lol you really don’t have a life do you, you’ve just proved that you’re a troll trying to degrade me, have you nothing better to do than go through all comments on sites? , that’s actually quite sad, some of my comments agreed were not very complimentary, but none were removed by IG so they couldn’t have been that bad, unlike some people’s comments !! Anyway I’ve had enough of your pathetic rants, you truly are the worst type of fan Adam would for sure detest you I bet you’re one of the saddos that stalks Adam everywhere and hangs around the hotel lobby just to get a photo of him, and would definitely intrude on his private life. A truly hypocritical , bullying , nasty person that’s you KIND REGARDS LOL !!!!!!!!!

Shelagh...I often photocopy defamatory comments made here trashing Adam...for the record..saves time. Your libelous remarks could damage Adam's reputation and poison fan's minds. It's cowardly and cruel to spread unfounded gossip under the cloak of anonymity. And there's still more...I've only quoted your comments from one thread.

BTW...I can't "degrade" you...that's YOUR perogative! If what YOU said degrades you, that's your fault, not mine. Nor can I be a troll, when I am exactly quoting YOUR own written words.

Could you introduce yourself and say the things you said directly to Adam's face? Of course not! THAT should be your yardstick....everyone's yardstick!

Nanbert, I know a devoted Glambert who no longer posts on Adam's 24 hour site because of your caustic and combative comments. Maybe there are others who feel the same way.

Shelagh, I hope Nanbert's acerbic comments don't deter you from posting on Adam's 24 hour site.

Rosemary thank you for your comments, I certainly won’t let Nanbert stop me from making comments on Adam’s site here or wherever I choose, I’ll just be ignoring her from now on, as I realise bullies want a reaction , that’s how they get their ‘kicks’ I just think it’s quite sad someone can’t respect anybody else’s opinions and resorts to photocopying comments on a blog site !!!! Why would you ?? Anyway thank you for your support sorry you got caught up in such rubbish best wishes xx

Rosemary, sorry to see that you condone, perhaps even encourage, the type of comments made by Shelagh that I quoted above. I've always felt that "opinions" that attack the character and morals of a person are NOT opinions....but defamatory statements/libel.

"Libel is a method of defamation...that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession.".....Cornell Law School Legal Information Institute

Making such statements anonymously is especially reprehensible, IMO.

I've always admired 24/7 for usually having a higher level of discourse than most websites...that's why I only visit here.

That's it. I've had my say. Bye.

Nanbert, I have not attacked your morals, nor anyone else's morals. I have not commented about Shelagh's comments. You have done an EXEMPLARY job of that yourself, and she's entitled to her opinion JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. We're all here to support Adam but you take delight in making hypercritical comments about Adam's hair and his clothes whenever you don't like them, Freddie and whatever else displeases you. Kindly refrain from making insulting comments to and about about ANYONE who posts on Adam's 24 hour site. You've already fallen out with Lam-my.

Rosemary White...I never said you attacked MY morals, or anyone elses.....I was talking about Shelagh attacking Adam's character and morals.

There's a BIG difference between character/morals, and hair/clothing.

SURELY you know the difference? Attacking one's character/morals can damage a person's reputation.. career...even ruin a life! It's not remotely like discussing a hair cut or color, or the latest costume.

NO ONE is "entitled to their opinion" if it involves defamation of character! That's what Shelagh was doing to Adam....implying that he preyed on kids, for one example...and that's when I objected and took her to task about it. That sort of idle careless "opinion" could certainly damage Adam's reputation...and career.

Nanbert I really wasn't going to reply to your caustic comments, however please stop all this rubbish and blatantly trying to bully people who don't agree with your opinions ! you know very well I wasn't saying Adam was preying on children, I'm 64 yrs old and lots of people call young men and women "kids,I find it absolutely DISGUSTING that you're saying that!! YOU were the one who added those words so perhaps you should watch what you accuse people of ? I know you were a legal secretary for 2 years, as you've said over and over again LOL, and obviously "google" a lot of 'legal words that you may not know ! YOU however, have called me a liar (I even offered to show you my LL B certificate) and homophobic, (for goodness sake I am an Adam fan !), do you feel better knowing that people on this blog site are actually fed up of your rants, and continuous bullying, I think Adam would be ashamed that you were classed as a fan, you even (although didn't name but definitely implied),that I was responsible for the video of Adam that IG removed from here, because of all the disgusting backlash Sam Smith, (who is a close friend of Adam's) got for Adam showing it, your answer when I tried to explain what had happened and why it was removed was "I'm not interested", really sympathetic aren't you, Adam was mortified that his friend was given such treatment. All comments I have made either on here or other sites, haven't been removed, unlike some on IG for instance that were really cruel, so obviously the powers that be don't think I'm putting defamatory, or libel comments, so get your facts right instead of looking them up on google, it makes you look a bit stupid to be honest, I've had quite a great working life, although retired some 20 odd years ago, but my last job that I loved in semi retirement was working at a vets as a nursing technician, and I have to say I worked with lots of nasty 'female dogs', so you lady need to get a life !

Shelagh, even "lawyers" say defamatory things. The main difference is that they KNOW what defamation of character is....and how damaging it can be. Being anonymous doesn't suddenly FREE a person from civilized restrictions on their speech.

I quote passages for accuracy and credibility. You may remember that I said "There's a big difference between "kids" and young men"...and "not to make such judgements based on snapshots". Your immediate response was to call me "evil, hypocritical" and a "bitch".

Later, what I was "not interested in" was my wish to not be drawn into tabloid gossip and innuendo wandering around the internet. As I later discovered, the whole business (Adam/Sam Smith/Michael Jackson fiasco) was ridiculous petty nonsense............Really? And you tell ME "to get a life"?

I am leaving this thread now, and will not respond further. Feel free to remain and call me "nasty female dog" to your heart's content....and rant and rave about me ad nauseum until you get it out of your system.

Then, I suggest we turn over a new leaf... wipe the slate clean... "water over the dam", etc......and then start off fresh.

You might have noticed that I tried doing that recently with a friendly response to you discussing possible hair colors Adam might be sporting in Vegas.

It might be worth another try. If not, ce sera, ce cera.

Nanbert, you go on ad nauseam ad infinitum because frankly, I think you like to have the last word. Of course I know the difference between "character/morals, and hair/clothing" - what an insulting thing to say but then that's not unusual for you. You do realise that everyone in the world can read this site, if/when they want to, and it doesn't reflect well on Adam if people on this site are posting nasty, insulting comments for all the world to read. For Adam's sake, please stop!!!!!!!!!!

Rosemary thank you for this last comment xx